LDEIL/1

Corpus Refs:Macalister/1945:433
Nash-Williams/1950:313
RCAHMW/1925:432(i)
Site:LDEIL
Discovery:first mentioned, 1889 Collier, C.
History:Collier/1889, 176--177, states that he was taken by `a friend' to visit three stones which had not been previously reported, one at Egremont (Carmarthenshire) and two at Llandeilo. This stone was standing `at the east end, very near to the wall, and outside the Chancel'. The Canon recognised the ogham but was unable to read it, and he had difficulty with the Roman partly due `to the darkness of the copse in which then church stands'.

Allen/1889, 307, records that he made a trip to the area to visit these stones. This stone was `standing close to the east end of the chancel'.

The stones were visited in 1898 by the Cambrian Archaeological Association who, as well as inspecting the stones, got to use the reputed skull of St. Teilo, which was in the guardianship of Mrs Melchior, as a drinking cup.

RCAHMW/1925, 156, records that in October 1914, the stones had `recently been erected on either side of the primitive wicket gate'; but `unfortunately both stones have been so fixed as to be exposed to the full force of the prevailing winds and rain, and in consequence are weathering badly'.

Nash-Williams/1950, 188: `The stone stands at the gate to the ruined church'.

Geology:RomillyAllen/1889, 307: `greenstone'.
Dimensions:1.73 x 0.46 x 0.18 (converted from Macalister/1945)
Setting:in ground
Location:on site
Macalister/1945, 413: `At the entrance-gate of the cemetery surrounding the ruined church of St. Teilo, to the right of a visitor entering'.

Nash-Williams/1950, 188: `The stone stands at the gate to the ruined church'.

Form:cross-marked
Allen/1889, 307: `monolith...4 ft. 6 in. high by 1 ft. 5 in. wide at the bottom, tapering to 10 in. wide at the top, and ranging in thickness from 7 to 8 in'.

Macalister/1945, 413: `A pillar'.

Nash-Williams/1950, 186: `Rough pillar-stone...67+" h. x 9 1/2-20" w. x 6-7 1/2-" t.'.

Condition:complete , good
Nash-Williams/1950, 186: `with gate-hanger hole in face'.
Folklore:none
Crosses:1: latin; linear; straight; expanded; plain; none; none; none; n/a
Decorations:

Allen/1889, 307: `At the top of the inscribed face is an incised cross with terminations to the arms shaped like a trident'.

RCAHMW/1925, 156; `a Latin cross, the ends being forked'.

Macalister/1945, 413: `a cross with trifid ends to the arms'.

Nash-Williams/1950, 188: `Coarsely incised linear Latin cross with trifid terminals (Fig. 3, 15). Presumably 7th-9th century, but possibly contemporary with the inscriptions'.

References


Inscriptions


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Readings

Rhys, J. (1889):[--]DAGELLIMACVCAV[.--
Expansion:
[AN]DAGELLI MACV CAV[E--
Rhys/1889 312 reading only
Allen, R. (1889):[--]ELL[I--]C[--]C
Expansion:
[ANDAG]ELL[I] [--]C[--]C
Allen/1889 307 reading only
Rhys, J. (1892):[.]NDAGELLMA[DD^C]VCAVI
Expansion:
[.]NDAGELL MA[DD^C]V CAVI
Rhys/1893 286 reading only
Macalister, R.A.S. (1945):ANDAGELLIMACVCAVE[--
Expansion:
ANDAGELLI MACV CAVE[TI]
Macalister/1945 414 reading only
Nash-Williams, V.E. (1950):[A]NDAGELLIMACUCAV[E--
Expansion:
[A]NDAGELLI MACU CAV[ETI]
Translation:
(The stone) of Andagellus (PN), son of Cavetus (PN).
Nash-Williams/1950 186 reading only

Notes

Orientation:vertical up
Position:n/a ; arris ; beside cross ; undivided
Nash-Williams/1950, 186: `The Ogam inscription is incised along the l. angle of the face reading upwards'.
Incision:pocked
Macalister/1945, 413: `pocked'.
Date:400 - 533 (Nash-Williams/1950)
Thomas/1994, 92, agrees with this date.
500 - 566 (Jackson/1953)
Language:Goidelic (ogham)
Ling. Notes:Rhys/1889, 312--313, `Lastly, I know not what to make of the macv of this inscription, occuring as it does where one would have expected maqi. It raises several questions such as the following, Is macv merely an abbreviation? and if so, why was it not written maq? Or else, are we to take the letter which I have here transcribed v, and which would probably be as correctly represented by w, to have had the value of the vowel u in this inscription? In that case we might compare such spellings as that of Macu Treni; but it is to be remebered that in Ogam the latter is given as Maqi Treni at full length'.

Rhys/1893, 286: `Then what I was obliged to read as dd may possibly have been meant for c [in MACV]; but the combination, whether ddv or cv is, to say the least of it, unusual. If the reading is correct, the v is to be treated as the vowel u as in certain Pictish inscriptions'.

Macalister/1922a, 30: `I cannot see...why he analysed the C of MACV into DD. Nor can I agree with Mr Romilly Allen's reading of the word as MACU. MACV is an unusual, though not unprecedented, spelling of MAQl it appears (in the form MAQV) on a stone from Aghebellog, Co. Cork. It is valuable as shewing how far the letter Q was pronounced'.

Macalister/1945, 414: `The spelling MACV is noteworthy, but the word is certainly not MACU, not yet MADDV (as was once suggested)'.

Palaeography:Rhys/1889, 312: `Both readings are very difficult; but the one helps the other...the Ogam breaks off in the middle of the notches for the vowel e. Further, the beginning of Andagelli is to be guessed in the Ogam rather than read, while it admits of no doubt in the other legend'.

Rhys/1893, 286: `The Ogams, which are all on the angle to the right of the inscribed face of the stone as it now stands, present very considerable difficulties...I find traces of the n, but not of the a, as the edge has suffered in that part of the stone. Then what I was obliged to read as dd may possibly have been meant for c ...As to Cavi, I did not feel sure about the i, but I could not find any more writing'.

Macalister/1922a, 30: `I cannot see how...Sir John Rhys missed the initial syllable AN, which is worn but certain...The H side of the angle is injured at the top, the stone having been flaked here from the C onwards; the final TI of the fathers name has thus been lost'.

Macalister/1945, 414: `A spall broken from the top of the H surface has carried away the last two letters'.

Legibility:some
Macalister/1945, 413: `they are much worn, and are clogged with lichen, which renders them difficult to decipher'.
Lines:1
Carving errors:0
Doubtful:no

Names

References


LDEIL/1/2     Pictures

Readings

Rhys, J. (1889):{A}ND{A}GELL{I}I{A}CIT | F/ILIC{A}/VET{I}
Expansion:
ANDAGELLI IACIT FILI CAVETI
Translation:
[Here] lies [the body] of Andagell (PN), son of Cavet (PN).
Rhys/1889 312 reading only
Rhys/1893 286 reading only
Allen, R. (1889):{A}ND{A}GELL{I}I{A}CIT | [--]
Expansion:
ANDAGELLI IACIT [--]
Translation:
The tomb of Andagellus (PN), he lies here.
Allen/1889 307 reading only
Macalister, R.A.S. (1945):{A}ND{A}GELL{I}I{A}CIT | F/IL/IC{A}/VET{I}
Expansion:
ANDAGELLI IACIT FILI CAVETI
Macalister/1945 413--414 reading only
Nash-Williams, V.E. (1950):{A}ND{A}GELL{I}I{A}CIT | F/ILIC{A}/VET{I}
Expansion:
ANDAGELLI IACIT FILI CAVETI
Translation:
(The stone) of Andagellus (PN), son of Cavetus (PN). He lies (here).
Nash-Williams/1950 188 reading only

Notes

Orientation:vertical down
Position:inc ; broad ; below cross ; undivided
Nash-Williams/1950, 413: `The Latin inscription is in two lines reading vertically downwards'.
Incision:pocked
Macalister/1945, 413: `pocked'.
Date:400 - 533 (Nash-Williams/1950)

500 - 566 (Jackson/1953)

500 - 599 (Thomas/1994)
Thomas/1994, 92, dates this stone to the sixth century.
Language:Latin (rcaps)
Ling. Notes:Macalister/1922a, 30: `There is no HIC before the IACIT or after it'.
Palaeography:RomillyAllen/1889, 307: `debased Latin capitals...there appears to be a second line of letters parallel to the first, but they are very indistinct'.

Rhys/1889, 312: `In the Latin the a of Caveti is very hard to make out in the rubbing; the c is a little less so but I feel very little date as to the later letters, veti'.

Macalister/1945, 414: `The G is of the sickle shape: the A's have angled cross-bars. The FI of the third word and the AV of the fourth are ligatured...The stone has been used as a gatepost, and a bolt-hole is drilled through it, injuring the E of the Roman CAVETI'.

Nash-Williams/1950, 188: `Roman capitals, lightly picked, with horizontal final -I's and two ligatures. The A's have the angular cross-bar'.

Legibility:some
Macalister/1945, 413, `they are much worn, and are clogged with lichen, which renders them difficult to decipher'.
Lines:2
Carving errors:0
Doubtful:no

Names

References